Hillclimb Championship Committee Meeting

[GKC998]

As Monklands SSC representative I will be attending the Scottish Sprint and Hillclimb Championship Committee Meeting on the 12th of October. If any Club member has any views, points etc concrning the Championship that they would like considered by the Committee please pm me. Alternatively I will be at Doune over the weekend 27th/28th Sept so can be contacted there.

[Stugee]

I'd like to support the discussion on the Flatchat forum with regards to a road libre class which is esentially sports libre with road tyres and an MOT. John has coverd most points including class structure in this post...

http://scottish-sprinting.co.uk/flatchat/viewtopic.php?t=571

Can this be discussed at the meeting?

Cheers
Stuart

[GKC998]

Stugee - you have a PM

[Stugee]

Hi Graham

Will there be a report on the committee meeting as there was for the July meeting? Made for some good reading the last time

Cheers
Stuart

[GKC998]

Committee was a bit displeased with me for publishing a report - however it was agreed that a report of the meeting will be placed on the 'Information' section of the SSHC website. May be a while though as it has to be approved before being put on.

[GKC998]

The Hillclimb and Sprint Championship Committee's 'Communiqué' for January is now available on their website. http://www.scottish-sprinting.co.uk/com ... ary_09.pdf or http://tinyurl.com/dcpkvv There is a feedback form included on which you can inform the committee of your views. Please also make your views known on this forum and Flatchat. I plan to attend the MSCC AGM and will be happy to discuss details then.

[GKC998]

At the moment the Scottish Sprint and Hillclimb Championship (SSHC) Committee is considering whether to make changes to the Hillclimb Championship scoring system. Currently the overall champion is limited to the Competion Division with points being awarded to entrants in this Division. Some on the committee felt this is unfair and that the overall championship should be open to all. There is also move to change the scoring system to a formula whereby points are awarded as a percentage of FTD. There are further suggestions that the sprint scoring system is adopted whereby any car in any class is not only eligible for the overall championship but is in a position to win overall.

I have posted my view in Flatchat as follows:

The overall champion should be the person who is consistently fastest up the hills. The whole point of hillclimbing is to get from the bottom to the top in the shortest possible time. While supporting the principle of being open to all, any system decided on must exclude the possibility of maverick results affecting the final championship positions. (e.g. events where the first timed run is dry up till the Competition Division and wet thereafter)

Following the principle of fastest person becomes the Champion a scoring formula that enables any person in any car/class to win the Championship is invalid. Fastest person must score most points, 2nd fastest score less and so on.
Personally, I want to see the person who wins the Scottish Hillclimb Championship being an excellent driver in a very quick car. Anything else devalues the Championship.

As to the scoring system itself – keep it simple and avoid any formula so everyone is clear on how the scoring works. Ideally this would involve a top 10/12/? run off at the end of a meeting. Practical at Forrestburn, possible at Fintray but very difficult at the June and September Doune meetings.


The next SSHC Committee meeting is on the 25th July so I would appreciate your opinions by that time to allow me to represent Monklands and properly reflect club members views. I think the Scottish Hillclimb Championship is important to all members of Monklands SCC, a predominately hillclimbing club, whether a competitor or not.

[westgarage]

I don't see how a top 10/12 run off would help in the wet run senario.
It is still possible that the theoretical 'fastest' car/driver still would not qualify for the run off due to 'lesser' classes benefiting from dry conditions.

I think the proposal of proportion of FTD has merit, although I would add the condition that the 'FTD' is the time of the fastest registered competitor in the SHC (who is also running in their correctly nominated car and class in that competition).

[GKC998]

Agreed, that a while top 10/12/? run off would not necessarily allow the competition division cars to qualify the probability is that the fastest of them would qualify. At least all the qualifying cars would compete in the run off in the same or similar conditions.

I take your point re scoring systems (% of FTD etc) and will input this at the meeting.

[GKC998]

Many of you will have seen the debate that has/is being conducted on Flatchat. The Scottish Sprint and Hillclimb Championship Committee (SSHCC) realised that under the existing rules the overall Hillclimb Championship was limited to the Competition Division. The SSHCC decided that the overall championship should not be limited to one division but should be open to all. The following is an extract from the information posted on the SSHC website.

Hill Climb Championship Scoring System
A debate took place on the existing Hill Climb scoring system and the fact that only a car in
Division C could win the overall Championship. The committee agreed that it should be the
case that the fastest car and driver should win overall, but that this should be open to any
car within any division. The proposed percentage system previously used was proposed but
this was discarded in favour of a system that would reward the fastest drivers overall at each
round. David Baker and Ian Thomson were tasked with coming up with a formula based on
the premise that Simplicity, Inclusion of all cars and Extra points for the fastest cars being
key requirements. The committee felt that it should be possible to introduce this for 2010 if it
meets these criteria


In essence the SSHCC decided on, in principle, a simple points system for the overall championship open to all Divisions with Divisions and Classes remaining unchanged. Details to be decided on at the next committee meeting in October. Since then a number of proposals have been made both from within and outside the committee. These include, for the overall championship, Top Ten runoffs, and a points system based on a percentage of the existing hill record. Divisional scoring remains the same as this year but class scores include Divisional score in addition to the usual 5, 4, 3 etc etc

Basically the MSCC position is that the overall championship should be open to all and be scored on the basis of 15 ponts for fastest, 12 points for the the second and so on down to 1 point. Division and Class scores to remain, unchanged, as for this year. (Also Top Ten Runoffs although practical at Forrestburn are not practical at the two National Dounes.)

As the MSCC rep on the SSHCC I would like to invite MSCC members opinions.